Re: [BCAB] mobility, eye glasses echo location, gps Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com 19 Aug 2011 09:47 BST

Hi.

This is just my own thoughts.
The chap in the US which uses echo location clicks his Tung as he walks.
Therese a few problems I can see with this.
Firstly you look and sound daft.
Secondly I can envisage some situations where it wouldn't work,
particularly if its noisy.

Echo location as a skill is something that is real. I can tell how close
to a wall I am and as Jacky says you can have good spatial awareness
using it.
wearing anything on my head, a hood, headphones or something that would
change the acoustic environment such as these eye glasses, for me, would
diminish the sensory feedback from the environment.

Having said all that I also think there is not a one stop solution for
everyone. If you find something that works for you then go with it.

Thanks.
Nick.

Nick Adamson
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 General Dynamics United Kingdom Limited
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-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk
[mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier
Sent: 18 August 2011 00:07
To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk
Subject: [BCAB] mobility, eye glasses echo location, gps

hi all,
Some interesting posts on mobility issues.
Could someone explain these eye glasses that vibrate for those not in
the know?

Also, I wondered if anyone has seen the bbc program about echo
location for the blind, as practiced by daniel kish in the us?

Apparently this is a skill which can be learned and I for one would be
interested in giving it a go. however I have not been able to find any
useful material onlin. Can anyone suggest where I might look - or does
anyone hav a different view of this development - which I understand
has been controversial in the us among blind peoPle.

Re gps, am I right in getting the impression that at present one could
not usually pick out a building with this? How much are we talking for
one of these devices - and is it worth it to identify the correct stop
on a bus.

comments welcome.

G

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>       ElectronicInformation- Saturday 1st October (L?onie Watson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:38:22 +0100
> From: "Norman Octon" <norman@octon2002.f2s.com>
> To: "BCAB" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: [BCAB] Yahoo - Again
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> Hi,
>
> Well, now it's my turn to be bounced out by Yahoo!  I've heard it done
to
> others, but now it's me.
>
> On investigation, I found that my account had been disabled and, among
other
> things, I had to solve a CAPTCHA to get back in.  However,
unfortunately, I
> still cannot download my email.  I mean, I can access it online, but
cannot
> download it using Windows Live Mail like I could 2 days ago.
>
> Has anything changed their end?  If not, where can I check on Yahoo
for what
> the settings should be?  I have so far found nothing relevant in their
help.
>
> If anyone knows anything - thanks.
>
> Norman O.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:11:07 +0100
> From: "Derek hackett" <derek.hackett2@btinternet.com>
> To: "Blind Windows 7" <blindwindows7@yahoogroups.com>,	"access"
> 	<access-uk@freelists.org>, "BCAB" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: [BCAB] Changing compatibility Mode
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> Hi Folks
> Sorrey for the cross posting, but I wish to resolve my problem as
quick as
> possible.
> Please could anyone on the list advise me how I can change my System
> Settings, as I have some how managed to put my PC in compatibility
mode &
> would like to know how to change the setting. As the system advisor
software
> I use keeps reporting that my Operating System is Windows XP Media
Center
> SP2 instead of the correct Operating system which is Windows 7 Premium
SP1.
> Many Thanks
> Derek
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:17:21 +0100
> From: L?onie Watson <tink@tink.co.uk>
> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Announcement - Protecting Your PC and
> 	ElectronicInformation- Saturday 1st October
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> 	You can find information about this workshop on the BCAB website
> now. Hope this helps.
>
http://bcab.org.uk/training-events/protecting-your-pc-electronic-informa
tion
>
>
>
> L?onie.
>
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> On Behalf Of Ros Macaskill
> Sent: 17 August 2011 05:08
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> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Announcement - Protecting Your PC and
> ElectronicInformation- Saturday 1st October
>
> Hello, Karl,
>
> As mentioned at the singing weekend, I would very much like to have
the
> prospectus re the conference on 1 October.  As this goes out to the
whole
> list, I will only give you my email address here: you can then send me
an
> email yourself, to which I will reply and give you my address and any
other
> relevant details.
>
> My email address is:-
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> Ros.cuddielugs@btinternet.com
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> All the best till then,
>
> Ros
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> On Behalf Of karl farrell
> Sent: 04 August 2011 15:26
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> Subject: [BCAB] Announcement - Protecting Your PC and Electronic
> Information- Saturday 1st October
>
> Hello everyone
>
> A reminder that bookings are now open for the joint AVIOS and BCAB
workshop
> on "Protecting Your PC and Electronic Information".  Have you
requested a
> copy of the Prospectus yet?
>
> This double-decker workshop is aimed at both relative beginners and
> relatively advanced computer users who are blind or partially-sighted.
It
> will be held on Saturday 1st October in London.
>
> So your first decision will be to decide which level is best for you.
You
> will get guidance on that and all the other information you need to
know
> about the workshop by e-mailing me for a prospectus.  If you want the
> information on paper, please let me know your address.  My contact
details
> are below.
>
> Karl Farrell
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> From: L?onie Watson <tink@tink.co.uk>
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> Subject: Re: [BCAB] SPEAKING WEBSITES
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> 	These tools are usually aimed at people with learning
disabilities,
> or people for whom the language of the site isn't their first
language.
>
> 	These tools tend to offer a range of features as well as speech
> capability. BrowseAloud for example lets you overlay coloured tints on
a
> page to make it easier to read. If you have visual stress, or
Dyslexia,
> using a coloured tint can make reading much more comfortable and
efficient.
>
> 	BrowseAloud also lets you hear a description of a word or
phrase.
> This is helpful to people with many different learning disabilities,
for
> example people on the Autistic spectrum who may not understand some of
the
> colloquialisms people use when writing content.
>
> 	Useful as these tools can be, the companies that sell them often
> make out their tool will solve all your accessibility problems in one
easy
> step. Thankfully the more reputable vendors, BrowseAloud amongst them,
> actually advise their customers that their tool works best on a
website that
> has been built to be accessible to begin with.
>
> 	My usual stance is to recommend website owners start with the
> guidelines, follow web standards, test regularly with real people, and
then
> think about adding tools such as this. It is possible to build much of
the
> functionality these tools offer into a website, or to use your browser
to do
> it. Sometimes though, there is merit in using a third party to make it
> easier for you and the people visiting your site.
>
> L?onie.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk
[mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk]
> On Behalf Of Steve and Anne Bingham
> Sent: 17 August 2011 12:04
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: [BCAB] SPEAKING WEBSITES
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> A group of which I am a member have been asked to advise our local
council
> about redesigning their website. So far I have drawn up a brief
document
> pointing the developers at W3C WAG, the British Standard and one or
two
> websites with guidance - I am fairly certain that they know all this
already
> but it never hurts to remind them.
>
>
>
> One aspect of the existing site I am not sure about is the fact that
each
> page can be made to speak. I am not sure who this facility is aimed at
as I
> can find nobody who uses it. I have spoken to various members of the
local
> disability forum and various other miscellaneous people and nobody
uses it -
> in fact very few people were aware of its existence. I have tried
using the
> speech and found it pretty useless. The voice is dreadful (not sure if
it is
> on the site or a voice loaded on to my machine), you could not alter
the
> pitch, speed or anything else about it, you couldn't even read
selective
> you. - it started reading from the top and read to the bottom unless
you
> stop it. It is the sort of facility that people would say "Oh that's
clever,
> what a good idea" but would not really think about its usefulness.
>
>
>
> Can anybody suggest who might use such a facility. If you need speech
on the
> site you would probably need it to access it and would therefore have
some
> kind of screen reader. The fact that there are no controls means that
it is
> very tedious to have to listen to the pages. There is a lot of
repeated
> information at the top of each page which, in my estimation would take
two
> or three minutes to read on every page.
>
>
>
> I am not sure which of the speech output products they are using but
are
> there more flexible systems around nowadays where you can at least
select
> what is read.
>
>
>
> At present my feeling is that they should drop the facility unless
they can
> prove a need for it and make it really useful.
>
>
>
> Any opinion or experience would be interesting.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
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> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:55:36 +0100
> From: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier@gmail.com>
> To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk
> Subject: [BCAB] zoomex or camera?
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> hi all,
> I was very impressed by the advice of another list member to simply
> get a camera and use it with my current ocr software. I usually carry
> my comput, a light laptop with me.
>
> I had a couple of questions for those who may have used cameras such
as this
>
>
> 1 how quickly can a page be scanned?
> 2 how good quality is the camera capable of? 600 dpi?
> 3 as a blind person is it difficult to get the camera in the right
> place for best scanning results?
>
> Kind regards
> GER
>
> On 8/17/11, bcab-request@lists.bcab.org.uk
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>>       7)? (Christopher Edwards)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:03:41 +0100
>> From: "Steve and Anne Bingham" <steven.bingham1@ntlworld.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] SPEAKING WEBSITES
>> Message-ID: <002801cc5ccd$560e71a0$022b54e0$@ntlworld.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>>
>>
>> A group of which I am a member have been asked to advise our local
council
>> about redesigning their website. So far I have drawn up a brief
document
>> pointing the developers at W3C WAG, the British Standard and one or
two
>> websites with guidance - I am fairly certain that they know all this
>> already
>> but it never hurts to remind them.
>>
>>
>>
>> One aspect of the existing site I am not sure about is the fact that
each
>> page can be made to speak. I am not sure who this facility is aimed
at as
>> I
>> can find nobody who uses it. I have spoken to various members of the
local
>> disability forum and various other miscellaneous people and nobody
uses it
>> -
>> in fact very few people were aware of its existence. I have tried
using
>> the
>> speech and found it pretty useless. The voice is dreadful (not sure
if it
>> is
>> on the site or a voice loaded on to my machine), you could not alter
the
>> pitch, speed or anything else about it, you couldn't even read
selective
>> you. - it started reading from the top and read to the bottom unless
you
>> stop it. It is the sort of facility that people would say "Oh that's
>> clever,
>> what a good idea" but would not really think about its usefulness.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can anybody suggest who might use such a facility. If you need speech
on
>> the
>> site you would probably need it to access it and would therefore have
some
>> kind of screen reader. The fact that there are no controls means that
it
>> is
>> very tedious to have to listen to the pages. There is a lot of
repeated
>> information at the top of each page which, in my estimation would
take two
>> or three minutes to read on every page.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not sure which of the speech output products they are using but
are
>> there more flexible systems around nowadays where you can at least
select
>> what is read.
>>
>>
>>
>> At present my feeling is that they should drop the facility unless
they
>> can
>> prove a need for it and make it really useful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any opinion or experience would be interesting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:18:32 +0100
>> From: Chris Moore <moore.c@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] SPEAKING WEBSITES
>> Message-ID: <34AAE76D-71F3-4967-8BF1-BA690315E10C@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Are you the same person that used to work for IR?
>>
>> Anyway the facility your council is using is probably Browse Aloud?
Later
>> versions of this software require a download plugin which enables you
to
>> change the speech and a few other very basic settings.  The software
is of
>> very little use in my opinion to anyone visually impaired.  I could
only
>> see
>> this software being of use to people who's first language is not
english
>> or
>> people who are dyslexic.  I think the software adds very little value
to
>> websites and is not good value for money.
>>
>> I still have not found anyone who uses it either.  Now that the likes
of
>> NVDA and Thunder being free, and the fact that iOS and Mac products
have
>> VoiceOver built in, I can see why anyone would even consider using
such a
>> basic service.
>>
>> Hopefully if Microsoft adds web surfing support to Narrator for
Windows 8,
>> then there should be no need for council's to attempt to tick the
>> accessibility box with such useless services..
>>
>> Chris
>> On 17 Aug 2011, at 12:03, Steve and Anne Bingham wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A group of which I am a member have been asked to advise our local
>>> council
>>> about redesigning their website. So far I have drawn up a brief
document
>>> pointing the developers at W3C WAG, the British Standard and one or
two
>>> websites with guidance - I am fairly certain that they know all this
>>> already
>>> but it never hurts to remind them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One aspect of the existing site I am not sure about is the fact that
each
>>> page can be made to speak. I am not sure who this facility is aimed
at as
>>> I
>>> can find nobody who uses it. I have spoken to various members of the
>>> local
>>> disability forum and various other miscellaneous people and nobody
uses
>>> it
>>> -
>>> in fact very few people were aware of its existence. I have tried
using
>>> the
>>> speech and found it pretty useless. The voice is dreadful (not sure
if it
>>> is
>>> on the site or a voice loaded on to my machine), you could not alter
the
>>> pitch, speed or anything else about it, you couldn't even read
selective
>>> you. - it started reading from the top and read to the bottom unless
you
>>> stop it. It is the sort of facility that people would say "Oh that's
>>> clever,
>>> what a good idea" but would not really think about its usefulness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anybody suggest who might use such a facility. If you need
speech on
>>> the
>>> site you would probably need it to access it and would therefore
have
>>> some
>>> kind of screen reader. The fact that there are no controls means
that it
>>> is
>>> very tedious to have to listen to the pages. There is a lot of
repeated
>>> information at the top of each page which, in my estimation would
take
>>> two
>>> or three minutes to read on every page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure which of the speech output products they are using but
are
>>> there more flexible systems around nowadays where you can at least
select
>>> what is read.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At present my feeling is that they should drop the facility unless
they
>>> can
>>> prove a need for it and make it really useful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any opinion or experience would be interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> --
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bring,
>>> please visit our website:
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:29:29 +0100
>> From: Christopher Edwards <cae2006@hotmail.co.uk>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Copying and pasting in Excel (Office 2010 with
>> 	Windows	7)?
>> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP375964D3B56B446365CC9E1F1280@phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> 	reply-type=original
>>
>> Alan,
>>
>> I am using Office 2010 on Windows XP and I have just confirmed that I
can
>> paste copied items multiple times. I don't know much about Windows 7
but
>> can
>> only assume your problem is something to do with the OS rather than
Office
>> itself.
>>
>> I know that this is not the answer you want but hope it can help you
>> narrow
>> down the source of the problem.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Booth, Alan" <Alan.Booth@shopdirect.com>
>> To: <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:23 AM
>> Subject: [BCAB] Copying and pasting in Excel (Office 2010 with
Windows 7)?
>>
>>
>>> Greetings All
>>>
>>> When I try to copy and paste information in a row or column in Excel
it
>>> only lets me paste the selected data once.  If I attempt to paste it
>>> into another column or row it merely repopulates the original one.
>>>
>>> To get round this I have to highlight the newly populated row or
column
>>> and then paste them into the next one.
>>>
>>> Is there a setting or method which will enable me to do multiple
pastes
>>> as I can do with Excel 2003 with Windows XP please.
>>>
>>> All suggestions gratefully received and investigated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan Booth
>>> Systems Developer
>>> teamIT
>>>
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>>> Speke Road
>>> Speke
>>> Liverpool
>>> L70 1AB
>>>
>>> email:alan.booth@shopdirect.com
>>>
>>> telephone: 0151 342 3948
>>>
>>> Mobile 07887 797 957
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:44:23 +0100
>> From: "Steve and Anne Bingham" <steven.bingham1@ntlworld.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] SPEAKING WEBSITES
>> Message-ID: <004101cc5ce3$cbf3dcf0$63db96d0$@ntlworld.com>
>>
>> Hi Chris
>>
>> Yes, it was me and I told the Revenue some time ago not to use
Browsealoud
>> or another product called I think, textIt. I couldn't see the value
even
>> seven years back.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Chris Moore
>> Sent: 17 August 2011 12:19
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] SPEAKING WEBSITES
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Are you the same person that used to work for IR?
>>
>> Anyway the facility your council is using is probably Browse Aloud?
Later
>> versions of this software require a download plugin which enables you
to
>> change the speech and a few other very basic settings.  The software
is of
>> very little use in my opinion to anyone visually impaired.  I could
only
>> see
>> this software being of use to people who's first language is not
english
>> or
>> people who are dyslexic.  I think the software adds very little value
to
>> websites and is not good value for money.
>>
>> I still have not found anyone who uses it either.  Now that the likes
of
>> NVDA and Thunder being free, and the fact that iOS and Mac products
have
>> VoiceOver built in, I can see why anyone would even consider using
such a
>> basic service.
>>
>> Hopefully if Microsoft adds web surfing support to Narrator for
Windows 8,
>> then there should be no need for council's to attempt to tick the
>> accessibility box with such useless services..
>>
>> Chris
>> On 17 Aug 2011, at 12:03, Steve and Anne Bingham wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A group of which I am a member have been asked to advise our local
>>> council
>>> about redesigning their website. So far I have drawn up a brief
document
>>> pointing the developers at W3C WAG, the British Standard and one or
two
>>> websites with guidance - I am fairly certain that they know all this
>> already
>>> but it never hurts to remind them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One aspect of the existing site I am not sure about is the fact that
each
>>> page can be made to speak. I am not sure who this facility is aimed
at as
>> I
>>> can find nobody who uses it. I have spoken to various members of the
>>> local
>>> disability forum and various other miscellaneous people and nobody
uses
>>> it
>> -
>>> in fact very few people were aware of its existence. I have tried
using
>> the
>>> speech and found it pretty useless. The voice is dreadful (not sure
if it
>> is
>>> on the site or a voice loaded on to my machine), you could not alter
the
>>> pitch, speed or anything else about it, you couldn't even read
selective
>>> you. - it started reading from the top and read to the bottom unless
you
>>> stop it. It is the sort of facility that people would say "Oh that's
>> clever,
>>> what a good idea" but would not really think about its usefulness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anybody suggest who might use such a facility. If you need
speech on
>> the
>>> site you would probably need it to access it and would therefore
have
>>> some
>>> kind of screen reader. The fact that there are no controls means
that it
>> is
>>> very tedious to have to listen to the pages. There is a lot of
repeated
>>> information at the top of each page which, in my estimation would
take
>>> two
>>> or three minutes to read on every page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure which of the speech output products they are using but
are
>>> there more flexible systems around nowadays where you can at least
select
>>> what is read.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At present my feeling is that they should drop the facility unless
they
>> can
>>> prove a need for it and make it really useful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any opinion or experience would be interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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bring,
>> please visit our website:
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:14:27 +0100
>> From: "Tony" <tony@seeingear.org>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Math advice, please
>> Message-ID: <2A9C6FAE752F41B1A671BD29E3A4E350@SEEINGEAR.local>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> 	reply-type=original
>>
>> Hello George
>>
>> Many thanks for that - will be in touch. We find OCR mistakes on
ordinary
>> text are not exactly unknown either but we have made a lot of
progress
>> recently towards eliminating most of them - perhaps the same
techniques
>> will
>> help with the INFTY package.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> Tony Dart
>> The Seeing Ear
>> www.seeingear.org
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "George Bell" <george@techno-vision.co.uk>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:40 PM
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Math advice, please
>>
>>> Hi Tony,
>>>
>>> I've spent the last 18 months or so going through "Braille
>>> Mathematical Notation", which specifies the UK rules.  The purpose
has
>>> been to work towards ensuring that at least the Duxbury Braille
>>> Translator will translate into accurate braille math, and see what
it
>>> will not do.  Thankfully there's not too much left to do.
>>>
>>> INFTY reader as you know, is a math OCR package, and converts to a
>>> variety of formats.  But outright purchase is quite high at
something
>>> in the order of $1,000 if you include the "Chatty" module as well.
>>>
>>> While we've been working with MathType - a ?40 add-in for Word for
>>> Windows - we'll be looking at INFTY in more details when the current
>>> development phase is complete.
>>>
>>> My main concern with INFTY is the expectation of the blind user.
It's
>>> not dissimilar to scanning music where occasionally you can get a
>>> wrong note.  Likewise, it cannot tell the difference between
>>> upper-case Latin and Greek letters which look identical, but are
>>> different signs in braille math.
>>>
>>> Am only too happy to have a chat by phone if you want - 01604
792777.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> George.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk
>>> [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tony
>>> Sent: 16 August 2011 15:19
>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Math advice, please
>>>
>>> Hello George
>>>
>>> Many thanks for that. My interest is how to transcribe printed math
>>> automatically into something useful and useable.  LaTeX looks a bit
>>> intimidating pre-degree level. I see there is one tool (Infty) to do
>>> the linearisation.
>>>
>>> Not a simple minefield to cross! Many thanks.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "George Bell" <george@techno-vision.co.uk>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 11:54 AM
>>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Math advice, please
>>>
>>>> Hi Tony,
>>>>
>>>> A little more background would be helpful, for example, as you
>>> looking
>>>> at senior secondary school level or university degree level math?
>>>>
>>>> There are a number of options, and one used widely in university
>>> level
>>>> is to write the Equations in LaTeX (pronounced "Lay Teck").  This
is
>>> a
>>>> linear language which results in mathematical display in much the
>>> same
>>>> way as HTML does for a web page.
>>>>
>>>> George.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk
>>>> [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tony
>>>> Sent: 16 August 2011 11:10
>>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>>> Subject: [BCAB] Math advice, please
>>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone point me in the right direction here, please? I want to
>>>> find out how to read and write complex math equations so that they
>>> can
>>>> be accessed without sight on a computer. Complex here means using
>>>> multiple lines, matrices, using symbols for integration, sigma etc.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>> Tony Dart
>>>> The Seeing Ear
>>>> www.seeingear.org
>>>>
>>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:17:47 +0100
>> From: Chris Moore <moore.c@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] SPEAKING WEBSITES
>> Message-ID: <00C7C776-11E3-477E-8336-AE791D2D884A@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Well guess what, they are looking at it again! I have told them not
to
>> bother! :)
>> On 17 Aug 2011, at 14:44, Steve and Anne Bingham wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chris
>>>
>>> Yes, it was me and I told the Revenue some time ago not to use
>>> Browsealoud
>>> or another product called I think, textIt. I couldn't see the value
even
>>> seven years back.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk
>>> [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk]
>>> On Behalf Of Chris Moore
>>> Sent: 17 August 2011 12:19
>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] SPEAKING WEBSITES
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> Are you the same person that used to work for IR?
>>>
>>> Anyway the facility your council is using is probably Browse Aloud?
>>> Later
>>> versions of this software require a download plugin which enables
you to
>>> change the speech and a few other very basic settings.  The software
is
>>> of
>>> very little use in my opinion to anyone visually impaired.  I could
only
>>> see
>>> this software being of use to people who's first language is not
english
>>> or
>>> people who are dyslexic.  I think the software adds very little
value to
>>> websites and is not good value for money.
>>>
>>> I still have not found anyone who uses it either.  Now that the
likes of
>>> NVDA and Thunder being free, and the fact that iOS and Mac products
have
>>> VoiceOver built in, I can see why anyone would even consider using
such a
>>> basic service.
>>>
>>> Hopefully if Microsoft adds web surfing support to Narrator for
Windows
>>> 8,
>>> then there should be no need for council's to attempt to tick the
>>> accessibility box with such useless services..
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> On 17 Aug 2011, at 12:03, Steve and Anne Bingham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A group of which I am a member have been asked to advise our local
>>>> council
>>>> about redesigning their website. So far I have drawn up a brief
document
>>>> pointing the developers at W3C WAG, the British Standard and one or
two
>>>> websites with guidance - I am fairly certain that they know all
this
>>> already
>>>> but it never hurts to remind them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One aspect of the existing site I am not sure about is the fact
that
>>>> each
>>>> page can be made to speak. I am not sure who this facility is aimed
at
>>>> as
>>> I
>>>> can find nobody who uses it. I have spoken to various members of
the
>>>> local
>>>> disability forum and various other miscellaneous people and nobody
uses
>>>> it
>>> -
>>>> in fact very few people were aware of its existence. I have tried
using
>>> the
>>>> speech and found it pretty useless. The voice is dreadful (not sure
if
>>>> it
>>> is
>>>> on the site or a voice loaded on to my machine), you could not
alter the
>>>> pitch, speed or anything else about it, you couldn't even read
selective
>>>> you. - it started reading from the top and read to the bottom
unless you
>>>> stop it. It is the sort of facility that people would say "Oh
that's
>>> clever,
>>>> what a good idea" but would not really think about its usefulness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anybody suggest who might use such a facility. If you need
speech on
>>> the
>>>> site you would probably need it to access it and would therefore
have
>>>> some
>>>> kind of screen reader. The fact that there are no controls means
that it
>>> is
>>>> very tedious to have to listen to the pages. There is a lot of
repeated
>>>> information at the top of each page which, in my estimation would
take
>>>> two
>>>> or three minutes to read on every page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure which of the speech output products they are using
but are
>>>> there more flexible systems around nowadays where you can at least
>>>> select
>>>> what is read.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At present my feeling is that they should drop the facility unless
they
>>> can
>>>> prove a need for it and make it really useful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any opinion or experience would be interesting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> To find out more about BCAB and the benefits that membership can
bring,
>>> please visit our website:
>>>> http://www.bcab.org.uk/
>>>>
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our
>>> website:
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:40:10 +0100
>> From: "ALAN THORPE" <info@eyecan.org.uk>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] SPEAKING WEBSITES
>> Message-ID: <DA596BE608B64AB7965981D272E3D2C1@ComputerPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> 	reply-type=original
>>
>> hi
>> the only people I have come in to contact with who would use a
facility
>> like
>> this is a dyslexic person.
>> no use for a person who needs speech because of their sight.
>>
>> MANY THANKS
>> ALAN THORPE
>> TEL 0114 220 7007  07961 406 739
>> EMAIL  info@eyecan.org.uk
>> WEB www.eyecan.org.uk
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve and Anne Bingham" <steven.bingham1@ntlworld.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:03 PM
>> Subject: [BCAB] SPEAKING WEBSITES
>>
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A group of which I am a member have been asked to advise our local
>>> council
>>> about redesigning their website. So far I have drawn up a brief
document
>>> pointing the developers at W3C WAG, the British Standard and one or
two
>>> websites with guidance - I am fairly certain that they know all this
>>> already
>>> but it never hurts to remind them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One aspect of the existing site I am not sure about is the fact that
each
>>> page can be made to speak. I am not sure who this facility is aimed
at as
>>> I
>>> can find nobody who uses it. I have spoken to various members of the
>>> local
>>> disability forum and various other miscellaneous people and nobody
uses
>>> it -
>>> in fact very few people were aware of its existence. I have tried
using
>>> the
>>> speech and found it pretty useless. The voice is dreadful (not sure
if it
>>> is
>>> on the site or a voice loaded on to my machine), you could not alter
the
>>> pitch, speed or anything else about it, you couldn't even read
selective
>>> you. - it started reading from the top and read to the bottom unless
you
>>> stop it. It is the sort of facility that people would say "Oh that's
>>> clever,
>>> what a good idea" but would not really think about its usefulness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anybody suggest who might use such a facility. If you need
speech on
>>> the
>>> site you would probably need it to access it and would therefore
have
>>> some
>>> kind of screen reader. The fact that there are no controls means
that it
>>> is
>>> very tedious to have to listen to the pages. There is a lot of
repeated
>>> information at the top of each page which, in my estimation would
take
>>> two
>>> or three minutes to read on every page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure which of the speech output products they are using but
are
>>> there more flexible systems around nowadays where you can at least
select
>>> what is read.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At present my feeling is that they should drop the facility unless
they
>>> can
>>> prove a need for it and make it really useful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any opinion or experience would be interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> --
>>> To find out more about BCAB and the benefits that membership can
bring,
>>> please visit our website:
>>> http://www.bcab.org.uk/
>>>
>>> To manage your subscription to the BCAB mailing list, please visit
our
>>> website:
>>> http://www.bcab.org.uk/bcab-discussion-list/
>>>
>>> To discuss matters relating to the mailing list, please email
>>> moderator@bcab.org.uk.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:12:05 +0100
>> From: "Tom Reid" <tom.reid21@virginmedia.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] Access to folder
>> Message-ID: <7ECD09F4EB34449592B632111E47D120@TomReidPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Win 7, when I try to access the folder, c:\documents and settings I
get
>> access denied. When I look at its properties, I seem to have full
control
>> of
>> all permissions. I've disabled all hide options.
>>
>> Any explanation?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:17:10 +0100
>> From: chris hallsworth <christopherh40@gmail.com>
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Access to folder
>> Message-ID: <4E4C05A6.3060109@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> That's because you don't use it. You actually go through it via
c:\users.
>>
>>
>> Chris Hallsworth
>> Sent from Thunderbird
>>
>> On 17/08/2011 19:12, Tom Reid wrote:
>>> Win 7, when I try to access the folder, c:\documents and settings I
get
>>> access denied. When I look at its properties, I seem to have full
control
>>> of
>>> all permissions. I've disabled all hide options.
>>>
>>> Any explanation?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:18:59 +0100
>> From: "Sue & Ian" <usinthedoghouse@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: "British Computer Association" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] Ap. for Mobile
>> Message-ID: <833A2BC6A875445F9A191EBA607F6087@owner3d6d0a397>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hello Everyone, Can anyone advise me on the best place or person to
>> contact
>> re developing a Ap. I am a volunteer for a local Visual Impairment
charity
>> and we have come up with an idea we want to develop into an Ap. but
have
>> no
>> idea how to start. Any advice would be appreciated. Susan Jones
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:33:11 +0000
>> From: Andrew Hodgson <andrew@hodgsonfamily.org>
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Itunes, iPhone, from old computer to new
computer.
>> Message-ID:
>>
<19792E78AA12F14D9C250101F0DCA01B01A187CC@ELROND.hodgsonfamily.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here is my experience:
>>
>> - When you plug the iPhone in on the new machine for the first time,
>> contacts will be ok if using Exchange, apps will get downloaded to
the
>> machine, and by using the transfer purchased items option, you will
get
>> back
>> tracks you purchased on iTunes that are still stored on the phone
itself.
>> If you purchased tracks from the iTunes store, but they aren't on the
>> phone,
>> you need to get them back, or contact Apple support.
>> - You can't get the media from the phone (i.e, MP3 files you put
there on
>> the previous iTunes library) to your new iTunes library without using
a
>> third party hack.  This was ok for me as I used a network drive for
the
>> media folder.
>> - Podcasts will re-appear in iTunes, but the episodes will need
>> re-downloading again.
>> - It will count towards one of the 5 machines you can auth against
the
>> account.  That isn't an issue since when you re-install the laptop,
it
>> will
>> continue with the same authorisation, as the auth seems to be done on
the
>> processor model, not the Windows install.
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Barry Toner
>> Sent: 17 August 2011 07:19
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: [BCAB] Itunes, iPhone, from old computer to new computer.
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> My laptops not playing ball for one reason or another at the moment.
>> Untill
>> i can get a pair of eyes in to confirm some screens, and snag a
couple of
>> files off prior to a re-install....
>>
>>
>>
>> I need to hand-over Itunes to another computer.  I understand this is
>> something Apple isnt' too keen on?  Is this something as straight
forward
>> as
>> install Itunes on the other machine, connect the iPhone, and click
sync?
>> or
>> will that not have the desired effect, i.e. copy the contents of my
iPhone
>> to my new computer?  I'd appreciate any feedback here, because I
don't
>> like
>> to leave the phone unbacked up.
>>
>>
>>
>> NB.  I've already told Itunes not to auto sync, and I'll manually
tell it
>> not to mess contacts up etc prior to the first sync.
>>
>>
>>
>> FYI, I've no sound on the Laptop so other than use GRML to copy the
itunes
>> media folder to a mounted USB disc, or physically remove the hard
drive I
>> cant' get the data off at the moment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> barry.
>>
>>
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