[BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle Mel Spooner 06 Sep 2011 11:38 BST
Re: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle Ian Macrae 06 Sep 2011 12:17 BST
Re: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com 06 Sep 2011 13:34 BST
Re: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle David Griffith 07 Sep 2011 15:45 BST
Re: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle Ian Macrae 07 Sep 2011 15:54 BST
Re: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle Graham Page 07 Sep 2011 16:11 BST
Re: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle Sue & Ian 06 Sep 2011 12:21 BST
Re: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com 06 Sep 2011 13:26 BST
Re: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle Mel Spooner 06 Sep 2011 13:30 BST
Re: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle Ian Macrae 06 Sep 2011 13:56 BST
Re: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle Mel Spooner 06 Sep 2011 14:03 BST
[BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Clive.Lever@kent.gov.uk 06 Sep 2011 14:15 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Mel Spooner 06 Sep 2011 14:22 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Ian Macrae 06 Sep 2011 14:45 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Mel Spooner 06 Sep 2011 14:51 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Ian Macrae 06 Sep 2011 15:06 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Mel Spooner 06 Sep 2011 15:12 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Ian Macrae 06 Sep 2011 14:43 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Clive.Lever@kent.gov.uk 06 Sep 2011 15:28 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Ian Macrae 06 Sep 2011 15:35 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Clive.Lever@kent.gov.uk 06 Sep 2011 15:44 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Darren Harris 06 Sep 2011 16:47 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Clive.Lever@kent.gov.uk 06 Sep 2011 16:52 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Darren Harris 06 Sep 2011 17:01 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) David Reynolds 06 Sep 2011 14:46 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Clive.Lever@kent.gov.uk 06 Sep 2011 15:08 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Gordon Keen 06 Sep 2011 15:41 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Clive.Lever@kent.gov.uk 06 Sep 2011 15:47 BST
Re: [BCAB] It's accessible, but only just (was basic questions about Kindle) Sue & Ian 06 Sep 2011 19:09 BST
Re: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com 06 Sep 2011 14:30 BST
[BCAB] Basic question About the Kindle (2) Norman Octon 06 Sep 2011 17:49 BST
Re: [BCAB] Basic question About the Kindle (2) Ian Macrae 07 Sep 2011 10:03 BST

Re: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com 06 Sep 2011 13:26 BST

Hi Mel.

As has been said, maybe just a couple of times, I love my Kindle.

Up until 3 months ago I was a book courier user which by its nature is an accessible device in all ways so my comparison is to that.

The navigation options on the Kindle aren't as good as the BC. If I'm being honest they are a little rudimentary in some cases.
Depending on how the book is created its possible to navigate by chapter using the left and right arrows. Most of the books I've bought from the Kindle store can do this but not all.

I quite regularly fall asleep while reading so navigating backwoods through a book to try to find my place is something I do quite often.
The method I use is to open the book, You will then be taken to the last page which was read. This is fine if you stopped reading and just want to continue. If you want to find a previous place in the book then you:
1. push shift symbol to start reading,
2. work out you fell asleep listening.
3. push shift symbol to stop reading,
4. use left arrow if the book supports chapter navigation.
5. if it doesn't then push the page up key multiple times, The Kindle can take a couple of seconds to do this, Pushing it 20 or so times can take around 5 seconds to do. Navigating forward is much quicker.
6. push shift symbol to start reading and check your location.
7. repeat steps 4 to 6 until you find your place.

As said the BC was better at doing this sort of thing but its not that hard on the kindle.
One thing I've found helps is to make sure as much text is on the screen at a time. This means that the page up and page down method skips quite a chunk, a minute or so's reading, at a time. As I don't use the screen having a tiny font doesn't bother me.

I keep thinking that I should do some sort of audio demo and tutorial of this stuff as for me the Kindle is great and with a couple of work arounds mostly accessible.
Having said that, if I could use the kindle store with the book courier would I use the Kindle? My initial answer when I wrote this email was I'd probably use the BC, but I'm honestly not sure. The Kindle is a lot more stable and quicker to load stuff on to, things like navigation and file support is better on the BC.

For me, Amazon have to do 3 things to make this a perfect device for me.
1. Improve navigation so its easier to navigate by bigger chunks.
2. put some sort of sleep timer functionality on it.
3. make it much better at playing MP£ audio books, although music playback is supported its barely usable.

A big issue often mentioned is access to the kindle store on the Kindle its self.
Personally I don't see this as such a problem. My phone or computer provide perfectly fine access to the store and they are probably better than doing it than some audio thing on the Kindle. We all know how long and how hard the screen reader manufacturers have to work to get good web access and that is all the Kindle is doing, It's a web browser that takes you to the Amazon website.

Any questions don't hesitate to ask.
Thanks.
Nick.

Nick Adamson
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From: bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Mel Spooner
Sent: Tuesday, 06 September 2011 11:38
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Subject: [BCAB] Basic questions About the Kindle

Hi All,

I don't have a Kindle currently but until last week I was very interested in getting one. However, I had the opportunity to look at one and felt very discouraged.

I have heard one or two blind people saying they love their Kindles so I'm hoping that my first impressions were somewhat inaccurate.

It seemed to me that it was virtually impossible to find one's way around a book, to navigate by chapter or page if one had lost one's place for instance. I came away with the impression that if all you need is to set a book reading and listen, then it is good. However, if you need to skip back because you've fallen asleep, or reference a book, then it really hasn't got there in terms of accessibility.

Are my first impressions correct, or have I missed something? Has anyone written any documentation on accessing the Kindle accessibly? I'd particularly like to hear from those who are loving their Kindles to find out how you are using them.

Thanks in advance.

Mel

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