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> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:16:45 -0000
> From: "Alex Stone" <alexstone871@btinternet.com>
> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
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> Jackie, I never had a demo of the older version, but I didn't think it was
> that heavy, possibly a bit bulky, but not that heavy.
> Cheers
> Alex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jackie
> Cairns
> Sent: 10 November 2012 08:56
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> Hi Alan
>
> As you've had a handle on it, so to speak, could you give an idea of its
> weight in comparison to the older version?  I found it rather heavy and
> bulky when folded.   I would love to try one out, just to see how it
> compares.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of ALAN THORPE
> Sent: 09 November 2012 19:08
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> hello
> it is the same but it has had quite a bit of work done to it making the
> electronics better.
>
> I can say this as I was involved with the testing of the new model.
>
> I was even on breakfast TV on film with it earlier this year.
> in fact it was on the same day as that farm got raided so our item was only
> one once as the farm story took over and we were removed.
>
> MANY THANKS
> ALAN THORPE
> EMAIL info@eyecan.org.uk
> TEL 0114 220 7007
> MOB 07961 406739
> www.eyecan.org.uk
> for aids  and advice for visually impaired people along with perkins
> repairs
> and servicing.
> now an accredited trainer for Dolphin Guide
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vince Thacker" <vince@gainleics.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
>
> I'm wodnering if this is the same Ultracane that was around maybe 6 or 7
> years ago, because i understand that the original makers had gone out of
> business.
>
> I did have a chance to try one, and got the hang of it pretty quickly, with
> both sounds and vibrations giving clues about the environment. At least it
> would supposedly detect overhanging thorns and the like, so would
> definitely
> be an asset for some people. For the price, though, I decided I didn't need
> one that desperately, as no doubt I'd have to buy it myself. I'm very glad
> in any case that I first became much more proficient at using the regular
> long cane.
>
> Vince.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Madge IS Development Officer Technology IS Strategy"
> <Geoff.Madge@essex.gov.uk>
> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been using an UltraCane for about nine months now and find it very
> helpful indeed.  It has all the advantages of having a normal long cane but
> gives either short range or longer range warning of any obstacles either in
> front or above.  I do twist the handle to find out what is either side of
> me
> as well which is very effective.  I can even track where people are when I
> a
> walking along the pavement .
>
> It has reduced the number actual hits I make with the cane and my own
> impacts when bumping into things.  It is not a total solution to getting
> about but has made a big improvement for me.  I recently forgot to replace
> the AA batteries so was left just with a long cane which showed me how much
> I am now using the sonar to get about.  If you are thinking of trying one
> please bear in mind that it takes several weeks for using it to become
> second nature which is when the benefit really begins to show.
>
> I managed to get Access To Work funding for my UltraCane with the support
> of
> my employer.  If you are in employment then this is definitely worth a try.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>  Geoff Madge
> IS Development Officer
> Information Services, Transformation Directorate
> Essex County Council
> Telephone: 01245 431332 | Ext: 21332 | Email: geoff.madge@essex.gov.uk |
> www.essex.gov.uk
>
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> For a better quality of life
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com
> Sent: 09 November 2012 11:50
> To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> Hi John.
>
> Thanks for the info.
> I've read up about the glasses before but I'm not sure about them.
> According
> to my wife, they look a little bit strange and a bit conspicuous.
>
> Thanks.
> Nick.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of john
> Sent: Friday, 09 November 2012 11:18
> To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk
> Subject: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I tried one of these out last year at sv and thought it quite good but very
> costly. The rnib do a similar product but in the form of glasses. Both work
> on ultra sound but the ultra cain has a much greater distence up to 4m,
> weather this is of benefit is debatible on things like how much advance
> notice one would like.
>
> The basic idea is that you get vibration indication of when an object is in
> range of the ultra sound path. So for the ultra cain, this covers from just
> above your head to the floor and about a metre wide with a range of either
> 2m or 4m. The glasses from the rnib which are priced at ?80 I believe, only
> cover the top half arond head height to chest or waste I think and only
> does
> quite close range, not sure exactaly. The ultra cain has two vibrating
> bumps
> on the cain one for the top sencer and the other for the bottom sencer,
> giving you an idea of where the object is within your forward path. By
> twisting the cain left or right, it was very easy to get an idea of what
> was
> around either side and with a little practice I think would be quite
> helpful, especially in new or changing seroundings. The glasses from the
> rnib are to be used with either a regular cain or guide dog. They are not
> sufficient to use on their own. I haven't yet tried out the glasses but
> hope
> to do so soon.
>
> I hope this very quick review gives a little help into these products.
>
> best, John
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:23:45 -0000
> From: "Neela" <neela4@btinternet.com>
> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Apple and Kindle Keyboard questions
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> Why not write to Amazon Jackie.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@btinternet.com>
> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Apple and Kindle Keyboard questions
>
>
>> Then I have the Kindle Keyboard sussed, but was only wondering if there
>> were
>> any commands that might be useful I had missed.  It is such a pity Amazon
>> have been so half-hearted about Kindle accessibility.
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Jackie Cairns
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian
>> Macrae
>> Sent: 09 November 2012 11:59
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Apple and Kindle Keyboard questions
>>
>> the only way to get the battery status is to wait until it is low enough
>> for
>> the low battery warning to show itself.  there is a visual indicator at
>> the
>> top right of the reading screen, but this is not rendered by the TTS. As
>> the
>> TTS's functionality is relatively limited, there aren't that many
>> commands
>> you need to know. Start and stop reading with the spacebar.  Turn TTS on
>> and
>> off via the page preferences button (right of spacebar).  while speech is
>> running, use this same button to select either male or female voice and
>> speed from three options.  think that's it.
>>
>> Think continuous reading on the iPhone is 3 fingered downward swipe.
>>
>> Ian Macrae
>> Editor
>> Disability Now
>> 6 Market Road
>> London
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 Nov 2012, at 11:49, Jackie Cairns wrote:
>>
>> Firstly, in relation to reading within the iBooks app on an Apple device,
>> could someone please tell me the gesture for continuous read?  Is there a
>> way of listening to a book without having to turn the page?
>>
>> Secondly, regarding the Kindle Keyboard, how do you ascertain the battery
>> status please?  And is there a list of commands using text-to-speech?
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Jackie Cairns
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:27:05 +0000
> From: "Alan" <Info@eyecan.org.uk>
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra caii
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> -original message-
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
> From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@btinternet.com>
> Date: 10/11/2012 8:56 am
>
> Hi Alan
>
> As you've had a handle on it, so to speak, could you give an idea of its
> weight in comparison to the older version?  I found it rather heavy and
> bulky when folded.   I would love to try one out, just to see how it
> compares.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of ALAN THORPE
> Sent: 09 November 2012 19:08
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> hello
> it is the same but it has had quite a bit of work done to it making the
> electronics better.
>
> I can say this as I was involved with the testing of the new model.
>
> I was even on breakfast TV on film with it earlier this year.
> in fact it was on the same day as that farm got raided so our item was only
> one once as the farm story took over and we were removed.
>
> MANY THANKS
> ALAN THORPE
> EMAIL info@eyecan.org.uk
> TEL 0114 220 7007
> MOB 07961 406739
> www.eyecan.org.uk
> for aids  and advice for visually impaired people along with perkins
> repairs
> and servicing.
> now an accredited trainer for Dolphin Guide
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vince Thacker" <vince@gainleics.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
>
> I'm wodnering if this is the same Ultracane that was around maybe 6 or 7
> years ago, because i understand that the original makers had gone out of
> business.
>
> I did have a chance to try one, and got the hang of it pretty quickly, with
> both sounds and vibrations giving clues about the environment. At least it
> would supposedly detect overhanging thorns and the like, so would
> definitely
> be an asset for some people. For the price, though, I decided I didn't need
> one that desperately, as no doubt I'd have to buy it myself. I'm very glad
> in any case that I first became much more proficient at using the regular
> long cane.
>
> Vince.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Madge IS Development Officer Technology IS Strategy"
> <Geoff.Madge@essex.gov.uk>
> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been using an UltraCane for about nine months now and find it very
> helpful indeed.  It has all the advantages of having a normal long cane but
> gives either short range or longer range warning of any obstacles either in
> front or above.  I do twist the handle to find out what is either side of
> me
> as well which is very effective.  I can even track where people are when I
> a
> walking along the pavement .
>
> It has reduced the number actual hits I make with the cane and my own
> impacts when bumping into things.  It is not a total solution to getting
> about but has made a big improvement for me.  I recently forgot to replace
> the AA batteries so was left just with a long cane which showed me how much
> I am now using the sonar to get about.  If you are thinking of trying one
> please bear in mind that it takes several weeks for using it to become
> second nature which is when the benefit really begins to show.
>
> I managed to get Access To Work funding for my UltraCane with the support
> of
> my employer.  If you are in employment then this is definitely worth a try.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>  Geoff Madge
> IS Development Officer
> Information Services, Transformation Directorate
> Essex County Council
> Telephone: 01245 431332 | Ext: 21332 | Email: geoff.madge@essex.gov.uk |
> www.essex.gov.uk
>
> EssexWorks
>
> For a better quality of life
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com
> Sent: 09 November 2012 11:50
> To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> Hi John.
>
> Thanks for the info.
> I've read up about the glasses before but I'm not sure about them.
> According
> to my wife, they look a little bit strange and a bit conspicuous.
>
> Thanks.
> Nick.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of john
> Sent: Friday, 09 November 2012 11:18
> To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk
> Subject: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I tried one of these out last year at sv and thought it quite good but very
> costly. The rnib do a similar product but in the form of glasses. Both work
> on ultra sound but the ultra cain has a much greater distence up to 4m,
> weather this is of benefit is debatible on things like how much advance
> notice one would like.
>
> The basic idea is that you get vibration indication of when an object is in
> range of the ultra sound path. So for the ultra cain, this covers from just
> above your head to the floor and about a metre wide with a range of either
> 2m or 4m. The glasses from the rnib which are priced at ?80 I believe, only
> cover the top half arond head height to chest or waste I think and only
> does
> quite close range, not sure exactaly. The ultra cain has two vibrating
> bumps
> on the cain one for the top sencer and the other for the bottom sencer,
> giving you an idea of where the object is within your forward path. By
> twisting the cain left or right, it was very easy to get an idea of what
> was
> around either side and with a little practice I think would be quite
> helpful, especially in new or changing seroundings. The glasses from the
> rnib are to be used with either a regular cain or guide dog. They are not
> sufficient to use on their own. I haven't yet tried out the glasses but
> hope
> to do so soon.
>
> I hope this very quick review gives a little help into these products.
>
> best, John
> --
> To find out more about BCAB and the benefits that membership can bring,
> please visit our website:
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> Hi only the electronics are better. I will say more when i return
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:49:31 +0000
> From: Colin Howard <colin@pobox.com>
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: [BCAB]  ACB Radio Tuner Version 7.2 released.
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> 	From: "Jeff Bishop" <jeff@jeffbishop.com>
> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:19:07 -0700
>
> A new version of the ACB Radio Tuner is out with enhancements and fixes
> reported by all of you. For this we thank you. Here are the changes:
>
>
>
> .         Added support for NVDA for Extra Speech output.
>
> .         Support for the media player Foobar2000 has been added.
>
> .         The ACB Radio Broadband streams will be used by default rather
> then the modem streams.
>
> .         Changed the menu bar slightly. The Listen To menu is now titled
> Stream Menu. Its hotkey was Alt+L and is now Alt+S.
>
> .         Added more error checking when switching speech types to insure
> that the screen readers are running before performing the switch.
>
> .         Insured all hotkeys are not replicated across the application.
>
>
>
> Use the Check for Update in the Help menu to get the new release or
> download
> it from:
>
>
>
> http://www.acbradio.org/tuner
>
>
>
> Jeff Bishop
>
> Colin Howard, living near Southampton in Southern
> England.
>
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