Re: [BCAB] Pen Friend Labeller Query Ian Macrae 13 Nov 2012 08:55 GMT

the standard labels are paper based and self adhesive so they'd be unlikely to survive a wash.  Having said that I've re-used labels on food containers which have been through the dish washer.

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On 13 Nov 2012, at 07:02, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:

Well, the laundry ones should be!
Richard
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Subject: [BCAB] Pen Friend Labeller Query

HI all,

Quick query about this. are the labels water-proof? Could you put them
through a wash, attached to clothes say?

Thanks

Ger

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Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:16:45 -0000
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Jackie, I never had a demo of the older version, but I didn't think it
was that heavy, possibly a bit bulky, but not that heavy.
Cheers
Alex

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From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jackie
Cairns
Sent: 10 November 2012 08:56
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain

Hi Alan

As you've had a handle on it, so to speak, could you give an idea of
its weight in comparison to the older version?  I found it rather heavy
and
bulky when folded.   I would love to try one out, just to see how it
compares.

Kind Regards,

Jackie Cairns

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THORPE
Sent: 09 November 2012 19:08
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain

hello
it is the same but it has had quite a bit of work done to it making
the electronics better.

I can say this as I was involved with the testing of the new model.

I was even on breakfast TV on film with it earlier this year.
in fact it was on the same day as that farm got raided so our item was
only one once as the farm story took over and we were removed.

MANY THANKS
ALAN THORPE
EMAIL info@eyecan.org.uk<mailto:info@eyecan.org.uk>
TEL 0114 220 7007
MOB 07961 406739
www.eyecan.org.uk<http://www.eyecan.org.uk>
for aids  and advice for visually impaired people along with perkins
repairs and servicing.
now an accredited trainer for Dolphin Guide
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From: "Vince Thacker" <vince@gainleics.fsnet.co.uk<mailto:vince@gainleics.fsnet.co.uk>>
To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain

I'm wodnering if this is the same Ultracane that was around maybe 6 or
7 years ago, because i understand that the original makers had gone
out of business.

I did have a chance to try one, and got the hang of it pretty quickly,
with both sounds and vibrations giving clues about the environment. At
least it would supposedly detect overhanging thorns and the like, so
would definitely be an asset for some people. For the price, though, I
decided I didn't need one that desperately, as no doubt I'd have to
buy it myself. I'm very glad in any case that I first became much more
proficient at using the regular long cane.

Vince.

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From: "Geoff Madge IS Development Officer Technology IS Strategy"
<Geoff.Madge@essex.gov.uk<mailto:Geoff.Madge@essex.gov.uk>>
To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain

Hello,

I have been using an UltraCane for about nine months now and find it
very helpful indeed.  It has all the advantages of having a normal
long cane but gives either short range or longer range warning of any
obstacles either in front or above.  I do twist the handle to find out
what is either side of me as well which is very effective.  I can even
track where people are when I a walking along the pavement .

It has reduced the number actual hits I make with the cane and my own
impacts when bumping into things.  It is not a total solution to
getting about but has made a big improvement for me.  I recently
forgot to replace the AA batteries so was left just with a long cane
which showed me how much I am now using the sonar to get about.  If
you are thinking of trying one please bear in mind that it takes
several weeks for using it to become second nature which is when the
benefit really begins to show.

I managed to get Access To Work funding for my UltraCane with the
support of my employer.  If you are in employment then this is
definitely worth a try.

Regards,

Geoff Madge
IS Development Officer
Information Services, Transformation Directorate Essex County Council
Telephone: 01245 431332 | Ext: 21332 | Email: geoff.madge@essex.gov.uk<mailto:geoff.madge@essex.gov.uk>
| www.essex.gov.uk<http://www.essex.gov.uk>

EssexWorks

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com<mailto:Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com>
Sent: 09 November 2012 11:50
To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain

Hi John.

Thanks for the info.
I've read up about the glasses before but I'm not sure about them.
According
to my wife, they look a little bit strange and a bit conspicuous.

Thanks.
Nick.

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Sent: Friday, 09 November 2012 11:18
To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: [BCAB] ultra cain

Hi Nick,

I tried one of these out last year at sv and thought it quite good but
very costly. The rnib do a similar product but in the form of glasses.
Both work on ultra sound but the ultra cain has a much greater
distence up to 4m, weather this is of benefit is debatible on things
like how much advance notice one would like.

The basic idea is that you get vibration indication of when an object
is in range of the ultra sound path. So for the ultra cain, this
covers from just above your head to the floor and about a metre wide
with a range of either 2m or 4m. The glasses from the rnib which are
priced at ?80 I believe, only cover the top half arond head height to
chest or waste I think and only does quite close range, not sure
exactaly. The ultra cain has two vibrating bumps on the cain one for
the top sencer and the other for the bottom sencer, giving you an idea
of where the object is within your forward path. By twisting the cain
left or right, it was very easy to get an idea of what was around
either side and with a little practice I think would be quite helpful,
especially in new or changing seroundings. The glasses from the rnib
are to be used with either a regular cain or guide dog. They are not
sufficient to use on their own. I haven't yet tried out the glasses
but hope to do so soon.

I hope this very quick review gives a little help into these products.

best, John
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Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:23:45 -0000
From: "Neela" <neela4@btinternet.com<mailto:neela4@btinternet.com>>
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Why not write to Amazon Jackie.
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From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@btinternet.com<mailto:jackie.cairnsplace@btinternet.com>>
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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Apple and Kindle Keyboard questions

Then I have the Kindle Keyboard sussed, but was only wondering if
there were any commands that might be useful I had missed.  It is
such a pity Amazon have been so half-hearted about Kindle
accessibility.

Many thanks.

Kind Regards,

Jackie Cairns

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From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian
Macrae
Sent: 09 November 2012 11:59
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Apple and Kindle Keyboard questions

the only way to get the battery status is to wait until it is low
enough for the low battery warning to show itself.  there is a visual
indicator at the top right of the reading screen, but this is not
rendered by the TTS. As the TTS's functionality is relatively
limited, there aren't that many commands you need to know. Start and
stop reading with the spacebar.  Turn TTS on and off via the page
preferences button (right of spacebar).  while speech is running, use
this same button to select either male or female voice and speed from
three options.  think that's it.

Think continuous reading on the iPhone is 3 fingered downward swipe.

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On 9 Nov 2012, at 11:49, Jackie Cairns wrote:

Firstly, in relation to reading within the iBooks app on an Apple
device, could someone please tell me the gesture for continuous read?
Is there a way of listening to a book without having to turn the page?

Secondly, regarding the Kindle Keyboard, how do you ascertain the
battery status please?  And is there a list of commands using
text-to-speech?

Many thanks.

Kind Regards,

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Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:27:05 +0000
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Call 07961 406 739

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Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@btinternet.com<mailto:jackie.cairnsplace@btinternet.com>>
Date: 10/11/2012 8:56 am

Hi Alan

As you've had a handle on it, so to speak, could you give an idea of
its weight in comparison to the older version?  I found it rather heavy
and
bulky when folded.   I would love to try one out, just to see how it
compares.

Kind Regards,

Jackie Cairns

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of ALAN
THORPE
Sent: 09 November 2012 19:08
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain

hello
it is the same but it has had quite a bit of work done to it making
the electronics better.

I can say this as I was involved with the testing of the new model.

I was even on breakfast TV on film with it earlier this year.
in fact it was on the same day as that farm got raided so our item was
only one once as the farm story took over and we were removed.

MANY THANKS
ALAN THORPE
EMAIL info@eyecan.org.uk<mailto:info@eyecan.org.uk>
TEL 0114 220 7007
MOB 07961 406739
www.eyecan.org.uk<http://www.eyecan.org.uk>
for aids  and advice for visually impaired people along with perkins
repairs and servicing.
now an accredited trainer for Dolphin Guide
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Thacker" <vince@gainleics.fsnet.co.uk<mailto:vince@gainleics.fsnet.co.uk>>
To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain

I'm wodnering if this is the same Ultracane that was around maybe 6 or
7 years ago, because i understand that the original makers had gone
out of business.

I did have a chance to try one, and got the hang of it pretty quickly,
with both sounds and vibrations giving clues about the environment. At
least it would supposedly detect overhanging thorns and the like, so
would definitely be an asset for some people. For the price, though, I
decided I didn't need one that desperately, as no doubt I'd have to
buy it myself. I'm very glad in any case that I first became much more
proficient at using the regular long cane.

Vince.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Madge IS Development Officer Technology IS Strategy"
<Geoff.Madge@essex.gov.uk<mailto:Geoff.Madge@essex.gov.uk>>
To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain

Hello,

I have been using an UltraCane for about nine months now and find it
very helpful indeed.  It has all the advantages of having a normal
long cane but gives either short range or longer range warning of any
obstacles either in front or above.  I do twist the handle to find out
what is either side of me as well which is very effective.  I can even
track where people are when I a walking along the pavement .

It has reduced the number actual hits I make with the cane and my own
impacts when bumping into things.  It is not a total solution to
getting about but has made a big improvement for me.  I recently
forgot to replace the AA batteries so was left just with a long cane
which showed me how much I am now using the sonar to get about.  If
you are thinking of trying one please bear in mind that it takes
several weeks for using it to become second nature which is when the
benefit really begins to show.

I managed to get Access To Work funding for my UltraCane with the
support of my employer.  If you are in employment then this is
definitely worth a try.

Regards,

Geoff Madge
IS Development Officer
Information Services, Transformation Directorate Essex County Council
Telephone: 01245 431332 | Ext: 21332 | Email: geoff.madge@essex.gov.uk<mailto:geoff.madge@essex.gov.uk>
| www.essex.gov.uk<http://www.essex.gov.uk>

EssexWorks

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From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com<mailto:Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com>
Sent: 09 November 2012 11:50
To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain

Hi John.

Thanks for the info.
I've read up about the glasses before but I'm not sure about them.
According
to my wife, they look a little bit strange and a bit conspicuous.

Thanks.
Nick.

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From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of john
Sent: Friday, 09 November 2012 11:18
To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: [BCAB] ultra cain

Hi Nick,

I tried one of these out last year at sv and thought it quite good but
very costly. The rnib do a similar product but in the form of glasses.
Both work on ultra sound but the ultra cain has a much greater
distence up to 4m, weather this is of benefit is debatible on things
like how much advance notice one would like.

The basic idea is that you get vibration indication of when an object
is in range of the ultra sound path. So for the ultra cain, this
covers from just above your head to the floor and about a metre wide
with a range of either 2m or 4m. The glasses from the rnib which are
priced at ?80 I believe, only cover the top half arond head height to
chest or waste I think and only does quite close range, not sure
exactaly. The ultra cain has two vibrating bumps on the cain one for
the top sencer and the other for the bottom sencer, giving you an idea
of where the object is within your forward path. By twisting the cain
left or right, it was very easy to get an idea of what was around
either side and with a little practice I think would be quite helpful,
especially in new or changing seroundings. The glasses from the rnib
are to be used with either a regular cain or guide dog. They are not
sufficient to use on their own. I haven't yet tried out the glasses
but hope to do so soon.

I hope this very quick review gives a little help into these products.

best, John
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Hi only the electronics are better. I will say more when i return

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Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:49:31 +0000
From: Colin Howard <colin@pobox.com<mailto:colin@pobox.com>>
To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
Subject: [BCAB]  ACB Radio Tuner Version 7.2 released.
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     From: "Jeff Bishop" <jeff@jeffbishop.com<mailto:jeff@jeffbishop.com>>
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:19:07 -0700

A new version of the ACB Radio Tuner is out with enhancements and
fixes reported by all of you. For this we thank you. Here are the changes:

.         Added support for NVDA for Extra Speech output.

.         Support for the media player Foobar2000 has been added.

.         The ACB Radio Broadband streams will be used by default rather
then the modem streams.

.         Changed the menu bar slightly. The Listen To menu is now titled
Stream Menu. Its hotkey was Alt+L and is now Alt+S.

.         Added more error checking when switching speech types to insure
that the screen readers are running before performing the switch.

.         Insured all hotkeys are not replicated across the application.

Use the Check for Update in the Help menu to get the new release or
download it from:

http://www.acbradio.org/tuner

Jeff Bishop

Colin Howard, living near Southampton in Southern England.

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