Hi all,
There are specific labels you can buy for attaching to clothes. I haven't tried them yet so I don't know how well they stay on after washing but I believe they are designed to!
Mel

On 13 Nov 2012, at 09:31, "Ian Macrae" <ian.macrae@disabilitynow.org.uk> wrote:

> the standard labels are paper based and self adhesive so they'd be unlikely to survive a wash.  Having said that I've re-used labels on food containers which have been through the dish washer.
>
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> On 13 Nov 2012, at 07:02, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:
>
> Well, the laundry ones should be!
> Richard
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gerard
> Sadlier
> Sent: 13 November 2012 06:20
> To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: [BCAB] Pen Friend Labeller Query
>
> HI all,
>
> Quick query about this. are the labels water-proof? Could you put them
> through a wash, attached to clothes say?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ger
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:16:45 -0000
> From: "Alex Stone" <alexstone871@btinternet.com<mailto:alexstone871@btinternet.com>>
> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
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> Jackie, I never had a demo of the older version, but I didn't think it
> was that heavy, possibly a bit bulky, but not that heavy.
> Cheers
> Alex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jackie
> Cairns
> Sent: 10 November 2012 08:56
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> Hi Alan
>
> As you've had a handle on it, so to speak, could you give an idea of
> its weight in comparison to the older version?  I found it rather heavy
> and
> bulky when folded.   I would love to try one out, just to see how it
> compares.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of ALAN
> THORPE
> Sent: 09 November 2012 19:08
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> hello
> it is the same but it has had quite a bit of work done to it making
> the electronics better.
>
> I can say this as I was involved with the testing of the new model.
>
> I was even on breakfast TV on film with it earlier this year.
> in fact it was on the same day as that farm got raided so our item was
> only one once as the farm story took over and we were removed.
>
> MANY THANKS
> ALAN THORPE
> EMAIL info@eyecan.org.uk<mailto:info@eyecan.org.uk>
> TEL 0114 220 7007
> MOB 07961 406739
> www.eyecan.org.uk<http://www.eyecan.org.uk>
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> repairs and servicing.
> now an accredited trainer for Dolphin Guide
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vince Thacker" <vince@gainleics.fsnet.co.uk<mailto:vince@gainleics.fsnet.co.uk>>
> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
>
> I'm wodnering if this is the same Ultracane that was around maybe 6 or
> 7 years ago, because i understand that the original makers had gone
> out of business.
>
> I did have a chance to try one, and got the hang of it pretty quickly,
> with both sounds and vibrations giving clues about the environment. At
> least it would supposedly detect overhanging thorns and the like, so
> would definitely be an asset for some people. For the price, though, I
> decided I didn't need one that desperately, as no doubt I'd have to
> buy it myself. I'm very glad in any case that I first became much more
> proficient at using the regular long cane.
>
> Vince.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Madge IS Development Officer Technology IS Strategy"
> <Geoff.Madge@essex.gov.uk<mailto:Geoff.Madge@essex.gov.uk>>
> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been using an UltraCane for about nine months now and find it
> very helpful indeed.  It has all the advantages of having a normal
> long cane but gives either short range or longer range warning of any
> obstacles either in front or above.  I do twist the handle to find out
> what is either side of me as well which is very effective.  I can even
> track where people are when I a walking along the pavement .
>
> It has reduced the number actual hits I make with the cane and my own
> impacts when bumping into things.  It is not a total solution to
> getting about but has made a big improvement for me.  I recently
> forgot to replace the AA batteries so was left just with a long cane
> which showed me how much I am now using the sonar to get about.  If
> you are thinking of trying one please bear in mind that it takes
> several weeks for using it to become second nature which is when the
> benefit really begins to show.
>
> I managed to get Access To Work funding for my UltraCane with the
> support of my employer.  If you are in employment then this is
> definitely worth a try.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Geoff Madge
> IS Development Officer
> Information Services, Transformation Directorate Essex County Council
> Telephone: 01245 431332 | Ext: 21332 | Email: geoff.madge@essex.gov.uk<mailto:geoff.madge@essex.gov.uk>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com<mailto:Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com>
> Sent: 09 November 2012 11:50
> To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> Hi John.
>
> Thanks for the info.
> I've read up about the glasses before but I'm not sure about them.
> According
> to my wife, they look a little bit strange and a bit conspicuous.
>
> Thanks.
> Nick.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of john
> Sent: Friday, 09 November 2012 11:18
> To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I tried one of these out last year at sv and thought it quite good but
> very costly. The rnib do a similar product but in the form of glasses.
> Both work on ultra sound but the ultra cain has a much greater
> distence up to 4m, weather this is of benefit is debatible on things
> like how much advance notice one would like.
>
> The basic idea is that you get vibration indication of when an object
> is in range of the ultra sound path. So for the ultra cain, this
> covers from just above your head to the floor and about a metre wide
> with a range of either 2m or 4m. The glasses from the rnib which are
> priced at ?80 I believe, only cover the top half arond head height to
> chest or waste I think and only does quite close range, not sure
> exactaly. The ultra cain has two vibrating bumps on the cain one for
> the top sencer and the other for the bottom sencer, giving you an idea
> of where the object is within your forward path. By twisting the cain
> left or right, it was very easy to get an idea of what was around
> either side and with a little practice I think would be quite helpful,
> especially in new or changing seroundings. The glasses from the rnib
> are to be used with either a regular cain or guide dog. They are not
> sufficient to use on their own. I haven't yet tried out the glasses
> but hope to do so soon.
>
> I hope this very quick review gives a little help into these products.
>
> best, John
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:23:45 -0000
> From: "Neela" <neela4@btinternet.com<mailto:neela4@btinternet.com>>
> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Apple and Kindle Keyboard questions
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> Why not write to Amazon Jackie.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@btinternet.com<mailto:jackie.cairnsplace@btinternet.com>>
> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Apple and Kindle Keyboard questions
>
>
> Then I have the Kindle Keyboard sussed, but was only wondering if
> there were any commands that might be useful I had missed.  It is
> such a pity Amazon have been so half-hearted about Kindle
> accessibility.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian
> Macrae
> Sent: 09 November 2012 11:59
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Apple and Kindle Keyboard questions
>
> the only way to get the battery status is to wait until it is low
> enough for the low battery warning to show itself.  there is a visual
> indicator at the top right of the reading screen, but this is not
> rendered by the TTS. As the TTS's functionality is relatively
> limited, there aren't that many commands you need to know. Start and
> stop reading with the spacebar.  Turn TTS on and off via the page
> preferences button (right of spacebar).  while speech is running, use
> this same button to select either male or female voice and speed from
> three options.  think that's it.
>
> Think continuous reading on the iPhone is 3 fingered downward swipe.
>
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> On 9 Nov 2012, at 11:49, Jackie Cairns wrote:
>
> Firstly, in relation to reading within the iBooks app on an Apple
> device, could someone please tell me the gesture for continuous read?
> Is there a way of listening to a book without having to turn the page?
>
> Secondly, regarding the Kindle Keyboard, how do you ascertain the
> battery status please?  And is there a list of commands using
> text-to-speech?
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
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> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:27:05 +0000
> From: "Alan" <Info@eyecan.org.uk<mailto:Info@eyecan.org.uk>>
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra caii
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> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
> From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@btinternet.com<mailto:jackie.cairnsplace@btinternet.com>>
> Date: 10/11/2012 8:56 am
>
> Hi Alan
>
> As you've had a handle on it, so to speak, could you give an idea of
> its weight in comparison to the older version?  I found it rather heavy
> and
> bulky when folded.   I would love to try one out, just to see how it
> compares.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of ALAN
> THORPE
> Sent: 09 November 2012 19:08
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> hello
> it is the same but it has had quite a bit of work done to it making
> the electronics better.
>
> I can say this as I was involved with the testing of the new model.
>
> I was even on breakfast TV on film with it earlier this year.
> in fact it was on the same day as that farm got raided so our item was
> only one once as the farm story took over and we were removed.
>
> MANY THANKS
> ALAN THORPE
> EMAIL info@eyecan.org.uk<mailto:info@eyecan.org.uk>
> TEL 0114 220 7007
> MOB 07961 406739
> www.eyecan.org.uk<http://www.eyecan.org.uk>
> for aids  and advice for visually impaired people along with perkins
> repairs and servicing.
> now an accredited trainer for Dolphin Guide
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vince Thacker" <vince@gainleics.fsnet.co.uk<mailto:vince@gainleics.fsnet.co.uk>>
> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 6:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
>
> I'm wodnering if this is the same Ultracane that was around maybe 6 or
> 7 years ago, because i understand that the original makers had gone
> out of business.
>
> I did have a chance to try one, and got the hang of it pretty quickly,
> with both sounds and vibrations giving clues about the environment. At
> least it would supposedly detect overhanging thorns and the like, so
> would definitely be an asset for some people. For the price, though, I
> decided I didn't need one that desperately, as no doubt I'd have to
> buy it myself. I'm very glad in any case that I first became much more
> proficient at using the regular long cane.
>
> Vince.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Madge IS Development Officer Technology IS Strategy"
> <Geoff.Madge@essex.gov.uk<mailto:Geoff.Madge@essex.gov.uk>>
> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I have been using an UltraCane for about nine months now and find it
> very helpful indeed.  It has all the advantages of having a normal
> long cane but gives either short range or longer range warning of any
> obstacles either in front or above.  I do twist the handle to find out
> what is either side of me as well which is very effective.  I can even
> track where people are when I a walking along the pavement .
>
> It has reduced the number actual hits I make with the cane and my own
> impacts when bumping into things.  It is not a total solution to
> getting about but has made a big improvement for me.  I recently
> forgot to replace the AA batteries so was left just with a long cane
> which showed me how much I am now using the sonar to get about.  If
> you are thinking of trying one please bear in mind that it takes
> several weeks for using it to become second nature which is when the
> benefit really begins to show.
>
> I managed to get Access To Work funding for my UltraCane with the
> support of my employer.  If you are in employment then this is
> definitely worth a try.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Geoff Madge
> IS Development Officer
> Information Services, Transformation Directorate Essex County Council
> Telephone: 01245 431332 | Ext: 21332 | Email: geoff.madge@essex.gov.uk<mailto:geoff.madge@essex.gov.uk>
> | www.essex.gov.uk<http://www.essex.gov.uk>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com<mailto:Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com>
> Sent: 09 November 2012 11:50
> To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> Hi John.
>
> Thanks for the info.
> I've read up about the glasses before but I'm not sure about them.
> According
> to my wife, they look a little bit strange and a bit conspicuous.
>
> Thanks.
> Nick.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of john
> Sent: Friday, 09 November 2012 11:18
> To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: [BCAB] ultra cain
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I tried one of these out last year at sv and thought it quite good but
> very costly. The rnib do a similar product but in the form of glasses.
> Both work on ultra sound but the ultra cain has a much greater
> distence up to 4m, weather this is of benefit is debatible on things
> like how much advance notice one would like.
>
> The basic idea is that you get vibration indication of when an object
> is in range of the ultra sound path. So for the ultra cain, this
> covers from just above your head to the floor and about a metre wide
> with a range of either 2m or 4m. The glasses from the rnib which are
> priced at ?80 I believe, only cover the top half arond head height to
> chest or waste I think and only does quite close range, not sure
> exactaly. The ultra cain has two vibrating bumps on the cain one for
> the top sencer and the other for the bottom sencer, giving you an idea
> of where the object is within your forward path. By twisting the cain
> left or right, it was very easy to get an idea of what was around
> either side and with a little practice I think would be quite helpful,
> especially in new or changing seroundings. The glasses from the rnib
> are to be used with either a regular cain or guide dog. They are not
> sufficient to use on their own. I haven't yet tried out the glasses
> but hope to do so soon.
>
> I hope this very quick review gives a little help into these products.
>
> best, John
> --
> To find out more about BCAB and the benefits that membership can
> bring, please visit our website:
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:49:31 +0000
> From: Colin Howard <colin@pobox.com<mailto:colin@pobox.com>>
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>>
> Subject: [BCAB]  ACB Radio Tuner Version 7.2 released.
> Message-ID: <09cs98t2inn9lb3ug9so37bkm7r0bp7017@4ax.com<mailto:09cs98t2inn9lb3ug9so37bkm7r0bp7017@4ax.com>>
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>     From: "Jeff Bishop" <jeff@jeffbishop.com<mailto:jeff@jeffbishop.com>>
> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:19:07 -0700
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> A new version of the ACB Radio Tuner is out with enhancements and
> fixes reported by all of you. For this we thank you. Here are the changes:
>
>
>
> .         Added support for NVDA for Extra Speech output.
>
> .         Support for the media player Foobar2000 has been added.
>
> .         The ACB Radio Broadband streams will be used by default rather
> then the modem streams.
>
> .         Changed the menu bar slightly. The Listen To menu is now titled
> Stream Menu. Its hotkey was Alt+L and is now Alt+S.
>
> .         Added more error checking when switching speech types to insure
> that the screen readers are running before performing the switch.
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> .         Insured all hotkeys are not replicated across the application.
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> Use the Check for Update in the Help menu to get the new release or
> download it from:
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> http://www.acbradio.org/tuner
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>
> Jeff Bishop
>
> Colin Howard, living near Southampton in Southern England.
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