Re: [BCAB] Kindle Fire Ibrahim Gucukoglu 28 Nov 2012 20:14 GMT

Hi Ian.

Agreed, however as I understand it, the inclusion of Voiceover was the
result of a recommendation and indeed the development of a concept by a
blind engineer who wanted to make touchscreens accessible to the disabled, I
don't know all the details but I know it wasn't something Apple originally
intended to include.  It was a case of the right employee being in the right
place at the right time.  The IPhone, IPod and IPad allow one to do so much
more than just reading books and the premium prices these gadgets command
demonstrates and reflects this universal utility.  The Kindle is a reading
device, its primary aim is to get electronic books out to the masses and
give them the portability to read on the go.  Because Amazon has Audible as
its sister company and now offers a handful of titles in a special kindle
and audio format, you can now actually read or listen to your book as and
when you want, so if you're driving for instance you can listen while when
you're in bed or on the couch you can read.  There is simply no need for a
text to speech capability for most users, no commercial reason for Amazon to
include one and indeed, the cost of the kindle device has come down somewhat
since its launch and through the various flavours such that they just aren't
powerful enough to render the speech capability anyway.  It all boils down
to scale and there simply isn't enough of a market to make it worth Amazon's
while.  Of course you have IBooks and now Nook on the IPhone, so two major
alternatives, I personally use IBooks for my reading needs when I want to
read a book in text form, its built in to the device I know and love and use
every day so it suits me perfectly.

All the best, Ibrahim.

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From: Ian Macrae
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Subject: Re: [BCAB] Kindle Fire

Ibrahim, by the same token, Apple has no commercial imperative to include VO
across their product range.  However, they chose to do so and therefore make
their products more inclusive and, as a result, boosted sales albeit in a
small way.

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On 28 Nov 2012, at 16:46, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote:

Hi Barrie.

Amazon have no commercial reason to include accessibility features in their
Kindle devices.  Apart from anything else, most people wouldn't use the text
to speech facility to listen to books as if audio is the format of choice,
the Kindle supports the downloading and listening to of books from Amazon's
sister company Audible.

All the best, Ibrahim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barrie
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [BCAB] Kindle Fire

Hi Nick yes I agree  with all you say.
I thought when I first read about the kindle fire it was more accessible,
but taking a closer look they have gone just so far.
Why they cannot go all the way like Apple only the god's know.
Barrie.

Barrie Moxon
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Twitter: @barriemoxon

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From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com<mailto:Nick.Adamson@generaldynamics.uk.com>
Sent: 28 November 2012 12:52
To: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Kindle Fire

I'm afraid I agree.
I'm sure many of you remember that about 18 months ago when I first got my
Kindle keyboard I was an advocate and genuinely thought that Kindle was a
potential game changer. But certainly in the last 6 months I've changed my
mind. Amazon just don't seem bothered by accessibility and feel that the
minimal effort they've put in is good enough. Well quite frankly it's not.
I'm normally one of those who is on the side of trying to work with solution
developers and praising those for what they do rather than getting all
militant about accessibility but Amazon don't seem to want to think about
accessibility and those of us who have offered help and constructive advice
appear to be ignored.

If I'd not invested so much in their books I'd be boycotting Kindle as there
are so many better solutions out there now. I just hope that all the
pressure organisations and individuals are putting on Amazon at the moment
changes there attitude, particularly around the mobile apps.

Just my thoughts.
Nick.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jackie
Cairns
Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 12:12
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Kindle Fire

Hi Paul

Right, that clarifies things, thanks.  I thought I had read that the Fire
wasn't accessible, but hadn't realised there were different versions of it.
Amazon seem to think they have done enough with accessibility as it is, so
nobody hold their breath!

Kind Regards,

Jackie Cairns

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Porter, Paul
Sent: 28 November 2012 11:24
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: [BCAB] Kindle Fire

From googling I'm not sure if the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 is going to be
available in the UK. The Kindle Fire HD 7 is on the Amazon UK store.

Paul

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