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Re: [BCAB] Audio-description on DVD movies Paul Benson (16 Dec 2012 15:03 GMT)
Re: [BCAB] Audio-description on DVD movies Chris H (16 Dec 2012 17:10 GMT)
Re: [BCAB] Audio-description on DVD movies Clive Lever (16 Dec 2012 23:57 GMT)

Re: [BCAB] Audio-description on DVD movies Clive Lever 16 Dec 2012 23:57 GMT

Hello Paul and Chris,

I think that manufacurers may be starting to realise that by making
equipment accessible to the minority, everybody gets a better deal. We can
only hope that the larger manufaturers of DVD players may follow the trend
set by Apple in their technology, of building speech into the manstream,
thus benefitting everyone, not just the people in the minority groups. If
you had optional audio-description built into players, some people would
find it an advantage in eyes=-busy situations. It becomes easier to follow
films while multi-tasking - reading the paper, doing the ironing, keeping an
eye on the kids, and so on.

Best,
Clive

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris H" <christopherh40@gmail.com>
To: <paul.benson@guidemail.co.uk>; "BCAB Discussion List"
<bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Audio-description on DVD movies

> You couldn't have said this better Paul. Until then if I get a Dvd and it
> is audio described great but if not so be it.
>
>
> Christopher Hallsworth
>
> On 16/12/2012 15:03, Paul Benson wrote:
>> Hello Chris and all,
>>
>> Surely the obvious solution, is to have Audio Description enabled as an
>> industry standard on all DVD players as they leave the factory. Are DVD
>> player manufacturers afraid that the sighted public are so stupid that
>> they can not follow the instructions to disable the AD should they not
>> wish to listen to it? The DVD player could have an option to easily and
>> quickly silence the AD, or even switch it off permanently until
>> re-activated by entering the menu. The former could be achieved by
>> holding down a function key on the remote control, and then holding down
>> the increase/decrease volume key, to raise/lower the volume of the AD
>> soundtrack respectively.
>>
>> It's the usual problem, until legislation is passed forcing manufactures
>> to act, then why should they voluntarily increase costs for a minority
>> market?
>>
>> Paul Benson.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris H - Email Address: christopherh40@gmail.com
>> Sent On: 16/12/2012 14:12
>> Sent To: BCAB Discussion List - Email Address: bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Audio-description on DVD movies
>>
>> You know guys this is one reason I have few if any Dvds. Frankly I can't
>> be bothered to find out if a Dvd has audio description and then to find
>> out how to enable it. If I receive a Dvd as a gift or as an item for
>> myself, I just put up with it even if audio description is missing.
>> Otherwise it's audio description on the tv all the way for me.
>> Christopher Hallsworth
>>
>> On 16/12/2012 13:54, Clive Lever wrote:
>>    i Susan and all,
>>
>>    here are my points:
>>
>>    1. RNIB butted out of the Audio-description movie issue when they
>>    disbanded the broadcast support team.
>>    2. Many of the audio-description tracks available on RNIB videos were
>>    not ported through to the mainstream DVD when the new format replaced
>>    the old.
>>    3. You often have to read the very small print on a cover of a
>>    commercially-available DVD of a film to find out whether it has
>>    audio-description. This is not an ideal situation, because it
>>    unwittingly works to the Les Barker-style principle: "If you can read
>>    it, you don't need it."
>>    4. It is still often the case that a title, either film or TV series,
>>    for which AD has been done for the broadcast, has no A D available
>> when
>>    you buy the commercially-available item. There are relativly few DVD's
>>    with audio suitable for children available to buy, which could exclude
>>    blind  kids from the shared experience of watching a home video
>> together.
>>    5. Some blind people have tried to get a compromise by putting up
>> sites
>>    for sharing audio soundtracks of films/tv series plus a D, and run
>> into
>>    difficulties with copyright. Whatever happened to the Blidn Mice Movie
>>    Vault, and who in their right minds could possibly consider it to be a
>>    real threat to the level of sales of the actual movie with pictures to
>>    have sound-only for people who cannot follow the bought item?
>>    6. As has been pointed out already, you need sighted help every time
>> you
>>    want to hear an audio-described track on a purchased DVD, which must
>> be
>>    soul-destroying for any blind person into TV and movies who lives in a
>>    household where there is no-one with reading vision.
>>
>>    Perhaps we need to raise awareness of the industry that we hare having
>>    to put up with a level of service that the Deaf community would never
>>    have tolerated, so, loads of subtitles, considerably less audio
>>    description.
>>
>>    I am tempted to write to any actor and any agency still in my address
>>    when I was compiling Guide Cats, asking them if they would press
>>    film-makers and TV to do all they can to ensure DVDs of their work
>>    are issued with Audio description.  I don't know how we would crack
>> the
>>    problem of DVD players with spoken menues unless we could get a
>> company
>>    interested in making them. Would COBOLT be too 'special' and clunky
>> and
>>    expensive? The ideal is to have speech menus incorporated into
>>    mainstream sets.
>>
>>    Best,
>>    Clive
>>
>>    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue & Ian"
>>    <usinthedoghouse@blueyonder.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>    To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk
>>    Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:08 PM
>>    Subject: Re: [BCAB] Audio-description on DVD movies
>>
>>
>>     Hi, Clive, I would be interestedin the answer to your question as
>>     well. I am totally frustrated with Audio Description on dVd's.
>> Regards
>>     Susan Jones
>>     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Lever"
>>     <clive.lever@btinternet.com
>>     To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab@lists.bcab.org.uk ;
>>     <access-uk@freelists.org
>>     Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:22 AM
>>     Subject: [BCAB] Audio-description on DVD movies
>>
>>
>>      Hello all,
>>
>>      I want to open discussion about issues arising from the way
>>      audio-description is or isn't available on commercially-produced DVD
>>      movies. Please can someone tell me which is the best list for the
>> topic.
>>
>>      Thanks,
>>      Clive
>>
>>
>>
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