Re: [BCAB] Do You Have Enough Cash To Be Tied To Microsoft? David Reynolds 16 Aug 2013 14:26 BST

Steve,
I agree entirely. For development, jaws is my favoured tool at the moment,
although it has to be said that NVDA is developing very nicely.

Best regards,

David.

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From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
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Hi David,

While I agree with you, I am also a screen reader user and blind, and can
therefore express an opinion.  Also note that I mentioned JAWS before
Window-Eyes even though I am primarily a reseller of Window-Eyes.

I just think it is a little blinkered to think that NVDA is the panacea of
all screen readers.

All the best

Steve

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Steve,
I'd respectfully suggest that this is a discussion, which, as a supplier,
you're bound to have certain points of view which aren't purely subjective.

Best regards,

David.

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Hello Steve,

However, I have found some tasks in Office products that NVDA performs more
effectively than Jaws. So, though I would agree with you that paid-for
screen readers are not dead yet, I no longer believe they are the only
option for the work environment. I still use JAWS for most of my work, but
will cross over to NVDA for certain tasks. For example, I've found that it
types up comment boxes in MS Word more accurately than Jaws which sometimes
omits letters I have typed. This means I have to waste time Proof-reading
with a fine tooth-comb. A lot of my work comprises reviewing other people's
reports/files. In addition, we are increasingly expected to move around the
site. You can use NVDA on any computer, but with Jaws you are desk-bound,
and the distinction is becoming increasingly important. So, in short, I
don't yet think NVDA is a total replacement for JAWS. However, I don't think
it should be dismissed out of hand either. As is often the case in life, the
truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Best,
Clive

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From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces@lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 16 August 2013 12:36
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Hi,

This is a bit of a black and white view I'm afraid.

While NVDA is very good, it is not great for a work environment.  It's not
too clever with Office products or some advanced aspects of them and screen
review is somewhat lacking due to the lack of an off screen model.  So I
don't think the traditional paid-for screen reader is dead yet.  Just my
opinion of course, but there are plenty of features in JAWS and indeed
Window-Eyes, not the least being more configurability that are just not
there in NVDA.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: [BCAB] Do You Have Enough Cash To Be Tied To Microsoft?

From David Bates via the NFB list.

Hello everyone,

Do you use Word with its ribbon menus or do you prefer the traditional
drop-down menus of Word 2003 and earlier, which are no longer available?
I paid about £80 for a more recent copy of Microsoft office just to get a
copy of Word, but found the ribbons so frustrating that I hardly ever use
it.

However, I have tried out another program with traditional drop-down menus
which works very much like Word 2003 and does everything which I require.
Although it has fewer bells and whistles it can open and save Word .doc
and.doc's files, also those in .txt and.rtf ,and it can also convert files
into pdf format.

The program is called Jarte and can be downloaded for free from the
Internet. All you need to do is to put the word Jarte into Google and it
will find the download site for you.

If you occasionally use spreadsheets such as Excel in addition to a word
processor. You will need an office suite and for this you could download a
free copy of IBM Lotus Symphony , which again contained the same sort of
programmes as Microsoft Office and with traditional drop-down menus, but
with fewer bells and whistles.

Both Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (with Their JAWS Screen Reader
Program) need to extract cash from their customers on a regular basis by
upgrading their programs every few years , and refusing to supply copies of
their earlier programs. Whilst their large commercial customers can afford
this, it is very hard for many disabled people who have to pay for a new
computer and also for these upgraded programs which then impose a steep
learning curve in order for them to recover the skills and abilities which
they had obtained with their previous programmes.

I understand that the current cost of a JAWS program is over £800 with pro
rata charges for intermediate upgrades.

In 2010 I bought a new computer and changed to a free screen reader, NVDA,
which Igh find to be just as good as JAWS, an is constantly being upgraded
with features requested by its users.

To try out NVDA I 1st loaded it onto my previous computer As an alternative
to JAWS where I could switch from one screen reader to the other for
comparison purposes, which convinced me that I did not need to pay £340 for
a JAWS upgrade on my new computer.

remember, just because you are visually impaired you are not tied to
Microsoft and Freedom Scientific. If you have an employer who pays, or you
have plenty of money then stick with them , but otherwise you can save
yourself a lot of cash by using these very effective and free alternative
programs!

David Bates

This short article was written on Jarte with the assistance of my NVDA
screen reader.

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